ROCK THE VOTE

[Aaron_bhkk]

Hi.

So it's no secret that there was a Survivor Elimination type game thread for season one of Awesome Show, which reached as many as ten or twelve participants. From the getgo, I wasn't crazy about that style of back-and-forth weirdness in the forum.

The type of Survivor game I think works better is that which is commonly seen on forums, where a poll is set up daily or weekly for each round, and people vote once for each thing, eliminating one per round until it's whittled down. But that doesn't mean this is final. Far from it. Which is why I'm opening it up to you, the people who care enough to care about it.

SO THIS IS WHERE IT STANDS:
OPTION #1 - The game stands with its current format, and a new thread will be created for Season Two.
OPTION #2 - We use the slightly different format I proposed, starting with Season Two, and create a new forum so as not to clutter the Awesome Show forum.

The choice is in your choice holes. The poll will close in four days. Vote it. And by all means, discuss.

[TaumpyTearrsFatWithABeard]

I don't know. Both options have their drawbacks and merits. In option 1, a crazy, gang-like mentality can be created where one side is pitted against another, especially when only two episodes are left (and, I should know: a good chunk of that madness for Season 1 came from me!). But, that kind of thing can also be FUN. I know Season 1 was, especially towards the end! With option 2--and using a poll--the math is automatically taken care of, so the numbers stay accurate, fair, and in percentage form. On the other hand, using polls in this forum is more complicated than just posting yr votes. Like, off the top of my head right now, I can't think of how to change a poll in a thread, neither to edit it nor to change the poll to a different season. I'm sure it's easy, I just don't know how. That's the point. Others might not know either, and good instructions would have to be posted first. With option 2, discussions would take place separately from the actual voting on the poll, and that could be a plus. People could actually have in-depth discussions specifically WHY a certain episode or episodes deserve to be voted for. That I LIKE. And, having a seperate forum for these type of games would be rather handy. With option 1, it's gang up on an episode to destroy it, and vote another to victory, just like that, simply to keep the thread going to get to the next season. On the other hand, how could you take votes AWAY from a certain episode that you DON'T like? I don't think you can with a poll. And that's part of the Survivor-like fun: VOTING SOMEONE OFF. So, there could be billions of different points and questions about this. I'll be interested to see what the thread starter, SonOfJoy, thinks about this and how he votes. I myself would be apt to want to go in the direction SonOfJoy goes in. Sorry to be so wordy, but there's a lot to this question, at least for me. I voted for option 1 because that's the only one I know and I've been having a great time playing it, but I could've voted for option 2 as well. If I could vote twice, I'd vote for both options. I'm torn, personally. Again, however SonOfJoy wants it sounds good to me. How's that for thinking too much about something?

[Aaron_bhkk]

Thank you for you reasoned stance, and allow me to clear up a few things.

The voting would be to vote OFF the episode you want to see go, which is the elimination/survivor factor. Also, polls are not an issue. Moderators can basically change polls however they need to, and a new thread would be created for each round.

Aside from that, even though you went the other way, I think you did a fantastic job of highlighting a lot of positives for my suggestion that I hadn't even considered, and likewise for the original.

[DoctorVenkman]

I vote option 2. Although both options are fun.

But, I do have OCD. Math is important, dammit.

[Tim or Something]

At least the insane one's post counts went off the charts.

[Son of Joy]

I remember when I created the topic and things were going fine. I don't know why we need to discuss things in a goddamn committee.

[Aaron_bhkk]

Here's why: Because it already went through the moderators, but I still didn't want to do anything outright without getting a consensus from the rest of the interested forum.

[Son of Joy]

Ahhhhhhh.... alright. I'll sit back. So we're starting mid-week? Reason why my system worked is that the back and forth allowed for some fun chitchat and allowed fans to strangthen the good episodes and weaken the weaker episodes. Tommy does not deserve the same chance of winning as Snow, for example.

Not to be a stick in the mud, but I probably won't contribute if we move to the second option.

[shanetheclassic]

I think we should keep it the same way it was for Season 1 since we already voted in that style and it would keeps things fair

remember guys, its just a TV show, so instead of focusing too much attention to this rather then whats really going on in the world, we should just keep things fun.

I know I had a lot fun with the original style

[Aaron_bhkk]

Ahhhhhhh.... alright. I'll sit back. So we're starting mid-week? Reason why my system worked is that the back and forth allowed for some fun chitchat and allowed fans to strangthen the good episodes and weaken the weaker episodes. Tommy does not deserve the same chance of winning as Snow, for example.

Not to be a stick in the mud, but I probably won't contribute if we move to the second option.

Trust me, there's not that much of a difference between the two systems. There will still be as much discussion as you want.

If anything, I think this encourages more participants simply because whatever anybody votes isn't likely to be canceled out by the next nine posts, five of which are from the same person. I know that's why I didn't participate in the other one. There were essentially only three forces at work, and those same three posters filled up the bulk of the ten pages in that thread.

[Son of Joy]

I just used the bathroom, so I'm not cranky anymore. (thanks D-Pants)

But yeah, Shane puts it best.

[TaumpyTearrsFatWithABeard]

Trust me, there's not that much of a difference between the two systems. There will still be as much discussion as you want.

If anything, I think this encourages more participants simply because whatever anybody votes isn't likely to be canceled out by the next nine posts, five of which are from the same person. I know that's why I didn't participate in the other one. There were essentially only three forces at work, and those same three posters filled up the bulk of the ten pages in that thread.

I thought about it some more before bed (this morning!), and I know I'm probably one of those "three forces" (actually about five, with probably less than ten different people who played Season 1 Survivor as a whole anyway) that "controlled" the game (near the end though, 'cause I wasn't able to play during the week at first, and three episodes that I thought should've went further--Cats, Salame, and Abstinence--all basically bit the proverbial dust during that time, but that's the way the game is played), but would the extreme opposite make any thing better? I mean, go from "3" people with ten pages worth of votes to everyone just having a single vote (you can't vote multiple times in polls) and only a negative vote (or positive vote if you want to do it the other way) with no power to--as SonOfJoy put it---strengthen the good episodes? The poll method would be EXTREMELY limiting, folks, for all the reasons I listed above and more. And would there be the opportunity for each episode to go all the way down to zero before it's eliminated, or would episodes with the lowest number be eliminated after a week, day, or whatever? They should all go down to zero before being eliminated. That seems the most fair. The only reasons I would go for the new option is 1) (most important) all the math would be taken care of automatically and be accurate; 2) I like the idea of a separate forum for these kind of games; and 3) I like the idea of more opportunity to discuss the episodes in depth, but that could be done even if we do it the original way if people want to put in the effort and time to discuss what's good and bad about each episode a little further. But really, I'm for the original way of playing the game. I was on the fence last night, but now I've stepped over the line into the Option 1 camp. Not just because SonOfJoy is in that camp, but because I've re-evaluated my own stance. Whew!

[Lothar_Brightblade]

I voted #2 but I'm don't really prefer one or the other.

I think though, to speed up the process next time (if survivor wins) we start at 3 points for each show. (this is a nonbinding suggestion). Also I think we should add to the rules that you have to wait at least 2 posts before coming back with another +/-.

[Aaron_bhkk]

I think we should keep it the same way it was for Season 1 since we already voted in that style and it would keeps things fair

remember guys, its just a TV show, so instead of focusing too much attention to this rather then whats really going on in the world, we should just keep things fun.

I know I had a lot fun with the original style

In fairness, if we're going for fairness, Option 2 is way more fair. Option 1 is incredibly uneven for reasons of not only math but the varying levels of participation.

And fun is exactly why I'm asking everyone. This became an issue because of practicality, but I didn't want to go ahead and do it yet because I wanted the forum's opinion on which they prefered.

[TaumpyTearrsFatWithABeard]

I voted #2 but I'm don't really prefer one or the other.

I think though, to speed up the process next time (if survivor wins) we start at 3 points for each show. (this is a nonbinding suggestion). Also I think we should add to the rules that you have to wait at least 2 posts before coming back with another +/-.

Best idea of the last two days! I agree. Or one has to wait 3 posts. Or it should be 2 points (plus AND minus) for each show. Any variation on that. Makes it more fair. ANYTHING but using the poll and each person having only one vote in one direction before one of their favorite episodes gets eliminated. Option 1 (the original way of playing) all the way, with Lothar's alterations...

And I know the forums are filling up with the constant back-and-forth of this game, but I also don't want each season's Survivor game to last less than a week, either. I would prefer to keep the game as a whole going until AT LEAST the start of Season 5 Awesome Show.

[TheSuperiorGerbil]

#2 is more democratic, o that's my vote. Nag Call me a pussy, but I ended up just giving up voting in the Season 1 eliminations.


Lothar's suggestion also seems to be pointing to a good direction.

[mab1014]

I like the original format, but agree that it should be tweaked so that people have to wait at least 2 or 3 posts before re-voting. As it stands, the game can be controlled by the people who happen to be at their computers a lot in one day. Hey, I took advantage of it as others did, but I think the additional waiting period might make it a more balanced game and more reflective of everyone's opinion, not just the opinion of a small handful.

These guys agree with me

[Tim or Something]

This is a joke.

*edit*

Ok, that is a little harsh. It's just really funny.

[TaumpyTearrsFatWithABeard]

I like the original format, but agree that it should be tweaked so that people have to wait at least 2 or 3 posts before re-voting. As it stands, the game can be controlled by the people who happen to be at their computers a lot in one day. Hey, I took advantage of it as others did, but I think the additional waiting period might make it a more balanced game and more reflective of everyone's opinion, not just the opinion of a small handful.

These guys agree with me

I most certainly agree. Even with a nuded-out Michael Q. Schmidt. Or, should I say, ESPECIALLY with a nuded-out Michael Q. Schmidt. Raise my roof, indeed!

[Son of Joy]

So the rules are option 1, each episode starts with 5 points each on the +/- system and you have to wait three posts from your post before you can vote again? Sounds good to me! When can we start???

[Aaron_bhkk]

So the rules are option 1, each episode starts with 5 points each on the +/- system and you have to wait three posts from your post before you can vote again? Sounds good to me! When can we start???

Like I said, it's a four-day poll, so at the end of the poll, we'll have the final decision.

[Son of Joy]

So five people for option 1 who really love the elimination topic, regularly contribute and GET the fun in it are currently outnumbered by one vote for the option 2 people which consist of casual visitors and those who could care less about an elimination thread? And you questioned the fairness of MY poll? Hmph.


I say have BOTH polls running in separate topics on a new "Games and Polls" board. One topic for the fun elimination style +/- and one for the boring one point at a time "tick the box" game. Both parties are happy. Because at the point, a 5/6 vote isn't really fair.

[redeth20]

I don't know why we can't just do it the same as the first one. I wanted Balls/Friends to win, but it didn't. I've moved on. I mean so what if your episode didn't win. I thought the whole idea of it was an all out battle to the death for your favorite episode. The rules for the game were clearly posted and as far as I know no one cheated. Who cares if its "fair" or not. SonofJoy came up with a good idea and in order for the other seasons to be the same we have to do it the same way. Otherwise we should just start over. It's just so silly to fight about it.

[TheSuperiorGerbil]

So five people for option 1 who really love the elimination topic, regularly contribute and GET the fun in it are currently outnumbered by one vote for the option 2 people which consist of casual visitors and those who could care less about an elimination thread? And you questioned the fairness of MY poll? Hmph.


I say have BOTH polls running in separate topics on a new "Games and Polls" board. One topic for the fun elimination style +/- and one for the boring one point at a time "tick the box" game. Both parties are happy. Because at the point, a 5/6 vote isn't really fair.

Hey, if we stick with the Option 1 with a waiting period before voting again, you can subtract my vote from the poll for option #2. And I only began to vote seldomly becaue I realized there wa sno way my vote for "Dads" to get eliminated would make any difference. This new approach seems to solve the problem.

[Aaron_bhkk]

So five people for option 1 who really love the elimination topic, regularly contribute and GET the fun in it are currently outnumbered by one vote for the option 2 people which consist of casual visitors and those who could care less about an elimination thread? And you questioned the fairness of MY poll? Hmph.

I don't know why we can't just do it the same as the first one. I wanted Balls/Friends to win, but it didn't. I've moved on. I mean so what if your episode didn't win. I thought the whole idea of it was an all out battle to the death for your favorite episode. The rules for the game were clearly posted and as far as I know no one cheated. Who cares if its "fair" or not.

Apparently, the motives behind creating this poll were not clear. The elimination topic was being questioned since it began. It's not at all about the game's fairness. It's about a group of five people creating a 10-page thread and the possibility of the board being cluttered by similar threads. I could not care less about what episode wins the game.